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Read original item: Is billing by the hour unethical?
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In the pollSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/06/2009 @ 03:05 PM (PDT) |
 BillingOz_Media | 07/07/2009 @ 09:33 AM (PDT) |
 Combination approachGSG | 07/07/2009 @ 11:22 AM (PDT) |
 Time & Materials -OR- Cost PlusSilverBullet | 07/08/2009 @ 08:21 AM (PDT) |
  Out of scope issues, use a "Change Order"SilverBullet | 07/08/2009 @ 08:25 AM (PDT) |
 The reason so many have such a hard time...josh.t.richards@... | 07/08/2009 @ 02:30 PM (PDT) |
  Well ...PMP'sicle | 07/08/2009 @ 09:07 PM (PDT) |
   In addition santeewelding | 07/08/2009 @ 09:28 PM (PDT) |
   I just heard the dingSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:12 PM (PDT) |
    Nah ...PMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 08:42 AM (PDT) |
 Really depends on the job doesn't itShellbot | 07/08/2009 @ 02:49 PM (PDT) |
  My contracts are annual, tooSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:13 PM (PDT) |
   I go exclusiveShellbot | 07/12/2009 @ 11:27 AM (PDT) |
    That's an interesting variationSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:12 AM (PDT) |
     It works for meShellbot | 07/13/2009 @ 12:02 PM (PDT) |
     one client = too uch riskherlizness@... | 07/15/2009 @ 07:06 PM (PDT) |
      RiskSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/16/2009 @ 10:21 AM (PDT) |
      I can appreciate thatShellbot | 07/16/2009 @ 11:57 AM (PDT) |
  Same here but ...PMP'sicle | 07/11/2009 @ 10:04 PM (PDT) |
   Time and attentionsanteewelding | 07/11/2009 @ 10:12 PM (PDT) |
    You're rightSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/12/2009 @ 09:47 AM (PDT) |
   Get more creative on contractsherlizness@... | 07/16/2009 @ 08:41 AM (PDT) |
    Hybridsanteewelding | 07/16/2009 @ 08:52 AM (PDT) |
     Hybrid Clarifiedherlizness@... | 07/16/2009 @ 10:54 AM (PDT) |
      Thank yousanteewelding | 07/16/2009 @ 11:05 AM (PDT) |
      That's a fairly simple idea...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/17/2009 @ 09:07 AM (PDT) |
      Re Simple Idea (Chip)herlizness@... | 07/17/2009 @ 12:02 PM (PDT) |
 wrong questionDesD | 07/13/2009 @ 03:12 PM (PDT) |
 Darwanian Hourlythomas_w_bowman@... | 07/14/2009 @ 04:32 AM (PDT) |
 Read This First: The Apparent ConsensusLukas Kasha | 07/14/2009 @ 08:39 AM (PDT) |
  Good summarySterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:20 AM (PDT) |
Just try to sell that to a customerjdclyde | 07/06/2009 @ 04:34 PM (PDT) |
 "if there were any unforeseen issues"Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 08:39 AM (PDT) |
  Not if it's a polar beartmalo627@... | 07/07/2009 @ 08:53 AM (PDT) |
   ROFLSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 01:38 PM (PDT) |
    yeahjdclyde | 07/07/2009 @ 01:59 PM (PDT) |
    What about Pizzlies?charles.bundy@... | 07/09/2009 @ 04:40 AM (PDT) |
   Where does a polar bear do it?PMP'sicle | 07/11/2009 @ 10:06 PM (PDT) |
    Polar bears aren't trouble as they're usuallyDeadly Ernest | 07/12/2009 @ 12:10 AM (PDT) |
     Sensai sayssanteewelding | 07/12/2009 @ 12:17 AM (PDT) |
      My sensei say no comma needed as sentence is one thought, not oneDeadly Ernest | 07/12/2009 @ 12:15 PM (PDT) |
     Oh that's bad .... PMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 07:41 AM (PDT) |
  Not to mentionjdclyde | 07/07/2009 @ 09:43 AM (PDT) |
  and Koala bears do it in gum trees in the scrub, not the woodsDeadly Ernest | 07/07/2009 @ 02:43 PM (PDT) |
   But they aren't really bears, now are they? NTSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:14 PM (PDT) |
    they's called bears and they have a lot of similarities, but smallDeadly Ernest | 07/09/2009 @ 06:31 PM (PDT) |
     They're marsupialsSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/10/2009 @ 11:03 AM (PDT) |
 It's only unethical if you bill like a lawyer...Lamune | 07/13/2009 @ 08:29 AM (PDT) |
  Well saidSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:10 AM (PDT) |
  Wow, really?Lukas Kasha | 07/14/2009 @ 07:09 AM (PDT) |
 Unfortunately - Most employers, are willing to pay for "busy work" Beoweolf | 07/13/2009 @ 09:48 AM (PDT) |
  That's precisely whySterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:16 AM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?Alan Weiss | 07/06/2009 @ 05:01 PM (PDT) |
 OKSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 08:44 AM (PDT) |
In the perfect world, we could, should, and would bill this way.JohnMcGrew@... | 07/06/2009 @ 07:47 PM (PDT) |
 I think that's the root of the problemSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 08:49 AM (PDT) |
  Nosanteewelding | 07/07/2009 @ 02:05 PM (PDT) |
   Good pointSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 02:09 PM (PDT) |
    Nosanteewelding | 07/07/2009 @ 02:20 PM (PDT) |
    yesminstrelmike@... | 07/08/2009 @ 08:47 AM (PDT) |
     You, thensanteewelding | 07/08/2009 @ 08:57 AM (PDT) |
    The interesting thing is .... PMP'sicle | 07/08/2009 @ 09:25 PM (PDT) |
     How To Address Different Hourly Rate Expectations & Value Unknownsjosh.t.richards@... | 07/09/2009 @ 09:19 AM (PDT) |
      Joshsanteewelding | 07/09/2009 @ 09:51 AM (PDT) |
      Theory vs RealityPMP'sicle | 07/11/2009 @ 11:12 PM (PDT) |
      Glensanteewelding | 07/11/2009 @ 11:33 PM (PDT) |
      Well said, GlenSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/12/2009 @ 09:54 AM (PDT) |
      RichardPMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 07:51 AM (PDT) |
      A common problem I see on "hourly" is that...JohnMcGrew@... | 07/15/2009 @ 02:05 PM (PDT) |
      The 1/3 rule that I've seen....Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/15/2009 @ 03:39 PM (PDT) |
It has to be both ways.jck | 07/07/2009 @ 07:24 AM (PDT) |
 Of the fixed-price work that I've doneSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 08:53 AM (PDT) |
  A lot of timesjck | 07/07/2009 @ 10:44 AM (PDT) |
   In that casesanteewelding | 07/07/2009 @ 10:49 AM (PDT) |
    nahjck | 07/07/2009 @ 11:10 AM (PDT) |
   Nothing worse?Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 01:41 PM (PDT) |
    knowing when to hand out freebiesjck | 07/08/2009 @ 09:24 AM (PDT) |
     The trouble I've had...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:24 PM (PDT) |
      Does sound like troublejck | 07/10/2009 @ 11:16 AM (PDT) |
      I actually once had someone here on the island...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/11/2009 @ 02:40 PM (PDT) |
      Opportunities and outsourcing ....PMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 07:57 AM (PDT) |
      That could have worked, GlenSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:14 AM (PDT) |
      Dear God!jck | 07/13/2009 @ 12:15 PM (PDT) |
      That rate...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:23 AM (PDT) |
      I see a commercial hereizzy_again | 07/14/2009 @ 02:55 PM (PDT) |
      Paying the ratejck | 07/15/2009 @ 05:20 AM (PDT) |
      supply and demandizzy_again | 07/15/2009 @ 02:32 PM (PDT) |
      Chip, I've a client who has a couple of computers and when one goesDeadly Ernest | 07/15/2009 @ 02:57 PM (PDT) |
Sounds likesanteewelding | 07/07/2009 @ 08:59 AM (PDT) |
 I've got to agreePMP'sicle | 07/07/2009 @ 12:17 PM (PDT) |
  InterestingSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 01:46 PM (PDT) |
   Determining valuejosh.t.richards@... | 07/09/2009 @ 09:29 AM (PDT) |
    What outcome?Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:26 PM (PDT) |
  Interesting, tell me more.Lukas Kasha | 07/14/2009 @ 07:36 AM (PDT) |
 The book with no final chapterSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 01:42 PM (PDT) |
Just yesterdayjdclyde | 07/07/2009 @ 09:47 AM (PDT) |
 Some people always push the limitSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 01:47 PM (PDT) |
I prefer to call it task based billingDeadly Ernest | 07/07/2009 @ 10:37 AM (PDT) |
 Funny how people just don't realize something so simplejdclyde | 07/07/2009 @ 10:42 AM (PDT) |
  Yes, people need to be remindedSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 02:07 PM (PDT) |
  A reasonable thinking audiance will see the logicSilverBullet | 07/08/2009 @ 09:31 AM (PDT) |
   and it will attack regardless of what you do, so it's best toDeadly Ernest | 07/08/2009 @ 10:27 PM (PDT) |
 Gotta lov e the honest approachSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/07/2009 @ 02:05 PM (PDT) |
 Bingo. You've nailed the problem, and the clock wins.JohnMcGrew@... | 07/08/2009 @ 06:04 AM (PDT) |
  Time is valuableSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:29 PM (PDT) |
  Perhaps we need taxicab style pricing.a.barry@... | 07/13/2009 @ 01:09 PM (PDT) |
   MeetingsSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:25 AM (PDT) |
   Why?ssharkins@... | 07/15/2009 @ 07:57 AM (PDT) |
   Meetings are workizzy_again | 07/15/2009 @ 02:47 PM (PDT) |
  Flat Rate for MeetingsTX_Techie | 07/14/2009 @ 08:45 AM (PDT) |
   Personally, I don't care enough to go to that kind of troubleJohnMcGrew@... | 07/15/2009 @ 02:09 PM (PDT) |
Other BillingEdg@... | 07/07/2009 @ 04:48 PM (PDT) |
Billing based on Valuekumvinod@... | 07/07/2009 @ 06:53 PM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?minstrelmike@... | 07/08/2009 @ 08:32 AM (PDT) |
Low bid mentality.charles.bundy@... | 07/09/2009 @ 04:55 AM (PDT) |
 Dishonesty or stupiditySterling "Chip" Camden | 07/09/2009 @ 03:32 PM (PDT) |
  Depends on culture ...PMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 08:09 AM (PDT) |
   Yes, that's trueSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:16 AM (PDT) |
   Which is the whole problem in a nut shell... best to stick to your moralsBeoweolf | 07/13/2009 @ 10:00 AM (PDT) |
    Even worse...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:29 AM (PDT) |
Combining both rates successfullystephanisat_z | 07/09/2009 @ 06:58 AM (PDT) |
 It's all situational ... PMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 08:37 AM (PDT) |
No, and here's why...mikifinaz1@... | 07/09/2009 @ 05:44 PM (PDT) |
 I feel your painSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/10/2009 @ 11:06 AM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?tcole@... | 07/13/2009 @ 07:15 AM (PDT) |
Isn't billing by "value" unethical?pwoodctfl@... | 07/13/2009 @ 07:18 AM (PDT) |
How about billing by the minute?Marty R. Milette | 07/13/2009 @ 07:28 AM (PDT) |
 That would be pretty hard to account forSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:19 AM (PDT) |
  Project timerMarty R. Milette | 07/14/2009 @ 06:05 AM (PDT) |
   Sounds like a winnerSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:34 AM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?Randy Hagan | 07/13/2009 @ 07:38 AM (PDT) |
 From what I understandSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:22 AM (PDT) |
  Nude pics of techies ... oh no.....PMP'sicle | 07/13/2009 @ 12:32 PM (PDT) |
   :) I didn't mean nude pictures OF USSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:32 AM (PDT) |
    Speak for yourself.santeewelding | 07/14/2009 @ 09:44 AM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?sysdev@... | 07/13/2009 @ 07:44 AM (PDT) |
Variables Galorereisen55@... | 07/13/2009 @ 07:47 AM (PDT) |
No. Billing by the hour is not unethical. wsargent@... | 07/13/2009 @ 08:44 AM (PDT) |
 Fixed profit contractsSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/13/2009 @ 09:35 AM (PDT) |
  Fixed profit contracts - explanationwsargent@... | 07/15/2009 @ 03:58 AM (PDT) |
   As you said...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/15/2009 @ 03:43 PM (PDT) |
Price is a function of worth not costgary@... | 07/13/2009 @ 11:23 AM (PDT) |
 AgreedSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:36 AM (PDT) |
Value - Henry Ford meets Charles Steinmetzjohn@... | 07/13/2009 @ 03:15 PM (PDT) |
 That's an interesting pointSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:39 AM (PDT) |
Totally Preposterous ..herlizness@... | 07/13/2009 @ 07:29 PM (PDT) |
 Nosanteewelding | 07/13/2009 @ 07:46 PM (PDT) |
  "No" what?herlizness@... | 07/13/2009 @ 08:36 PM (PDT) |
   M'ladysanteewelding | 07/13/2009 @ 08:44 PM (PDT) |
 Thanks for clarifying...Sterling "Chip" Camden | 07/14/2009 @ 09:45 AM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?greene.data.recovery@... | 07/13/2009 @ 11:35 PM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?stuffinator@... | 07/13/2009 @ 11:54 PM (PDT) |
My Project BillingTX_Techie | 07/14/2009 @ 08:46 AM (PDT) |
RE: Is billing by the hour unethical?ssharkins@... | 07/14/2009 @ 02:42 PM (PDT) |
 Well said, SusanSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/15/2009 @ 03:37 PM (PDT) |
  Customer Perceptions...Marty R. Milette | 07/16/2009 @ 06:01 AM (PDT) |
   You're right about thatSterling "Chip" Camden | 07/16/2009 @ 10:27 AM (PDT) |
    Guess I'm one of the few...Marty R. Milette | 07/17/2009 @ 05:25 AM (PDT) |
   Premiumssanteewelding | 07/17/2009 @ 09:28 AM (PDT) |
   Choices ...herlizness@... | 07/18/2009 @ 08:36 AM (PDT) |
I don't think billing per hour is unethical...urcomputerconsultant@... | 12/28/2009 @ 09:08 AM (PST) |